1. - Captain Flume - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 11:24 am:

   Mr. Hynes is not contradicting himself, at least not as an Illinois politician. He is saying that everyone takes the blame, and/but that no one is really wrong. Hard to argue with that stance.




2. - VanillaMan - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 11:55 am:

   Both Hynes and Canary are saying that because of ‘pay to play’ politics Illinois businesses are not wanting to do business with the state. Both Hynes and Canary refer to being told by businesspeople that they feel obligated to pay political contributions to elected officials in order to work here.

   We are witnessing new articles where Illinois business want SB 824 passed because they are tired of being milked for political contributions.

   To those who claim that Illinois businesses are to blame regarding their contributions to elected officials, Hynes, Canary and others are disproving this.




3. - 2for2 - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 12:07 pm:

   I don’t see a contradiction. Like it or not, he is the governor so he needs to be dealt with. I think you are splitting hairs.




4. - Ghost - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 12:08 pm:

   Hynes givin the Gov credit for lobbying for money for the Capital plan while complaining that the current setup allows the ov to shake down contractors is a contradiction. Hynes wants the legislature to give the Gov the highest pay to play pot ever in Illinois regardless of whether the ethics bill is passed. Hynes need to instead push that no capital bill pass without the ethics bill as writtne in place.

   The feud of which hynes complains is Madigan refusing to turn over such un funded wealth to a corrupt governor, and Hynes thinks that is bad? Hynes uses as a talking point the the budget is out of whack by 2 Billion, without noting that is just the top end of a speculative range or otherwise supporting this statement. Hynes may not be giving the Gov a pass, but many of his statements show he is more interested in the press release then the problem. Hynes is becoming Quinn lite.




5. - dhouser - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 12:11 pm:

   There’s only been 9 years of corruption in IL?Really mr. Hynes. We all know you hope to run for gov. Maybe you should ask your pal Madigan why the legislation allows him to take such “dirty money.” Hynes would be a lot more respectful if he’d use his energy to get the Speaker to work on the capital bill.




6. - DumberThanUThink - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 12:30 pm:

   That’s the best StatewideTom could do?
   Perhaps pn the way out some could ask him to explaining why he still pushing the gamblers agenda when GOP(as in MOPE) platform sez no to gambling expansion and demands a ban to pay to play BEFORE a capital plan is approved.
   Story of the day is the Sox getting Griffey Jr.
   Capt fax should dump this Blagoof nonsense and focus on the real world of the MLB penant race.




7. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 12:38 pm:

   ===Story of the day is the Sox getting Griffey Jr.===

   I ain’t all that thrilled about this yet.




8. - Frank Booth - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 12:45 pm:

   I see Cross has come out swinging on his 50th birthday. Did BFC jump out of a cake at the leaders meeting?




9. - Fan of the Game - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 12:49 pm:

   The “super” timeout. That’s, like, better than a regular timeout. Way better, dude.




10. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 12:58 pm:

    Frank Booth, you just scorched my mind’s eye. lol




11. - Ghost - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 1:56 pm:

    Any pending plan based on a lottorey lease is a horrible idea. We are trading future State dollars and a State asset for quick money up front, but a long term loss. This is robbing the future or incurring huge future debt for some quick cash now.

    These revenue proposals that invovle saddling the future with Bond debt or the loss of State revenue are just pushing more debt and fiscal problems off to the future and need to be stopped. Leasing the lottorey is not a revenue source, its a loss of revenue that will have to be made up for in the future. This is like those annuity buyout scams on TV…. small instant cash today for your long term collection.

    The lottery lease is just a fancy Loan for the State which incurs massive debt to be born for decades in exchnage for a relatively small quick payout upfront. Any legislator who supports saddling our futre with this kind of revenue loss/debt should be voted out in the next election.

    More simply, a lease is only viable if the private comapny takes a lot more then they are giving up for the investment. That money they are making in profit is money that the State would otherwise be taking in in the future. We are selling off future revenue for pennies on the dollar.

    Blago does not care, he needs the billions in money to replenish his coffers. His direct refusal to sign the Ethics legislation before the capital bill is passed demonstartes the Gov real intent with this funding, pay to play. This idea that he will sign the ethics legislation if or after a capital bill is nonsene. This is the Gov whose word is worthless. He needs to sign it as is before anyone goes forward on capital, no in conjunction with going forward with a capital bill. Otherwise if the Capital Bill is passed the Gov can just back out of his pledge or “improve” the bill to effectively render it meaningless or kill it.




12. - Anon - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 2:06 pm:

    ===More simply, a lease is only viable if the private comapny takes a lot more then they are giving up for the investment. That money they are making in profit is money that the State would otherwise be taking in in the future. We are selling off future revenue for pennies on the dollar.===

    That says it all about the bad financial deal it would be for the State.

    What also should be looked at is what protections will be given in the lease to the pay to play contractors associated with the Lottery. Look closely and you might find more than just Blago issues here…..look at who is supporting this idea.




13. - been there - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 2:11 pm:

    Dear Frank Booth and Rich Miller,

    Would you rather have Milrod jump out of the cake?




14. - Ghost - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 2:19 pm:

    The republicans are of course once again siding with the Gov on this one. Jones mentioned out crumbling schools, and the press release, amongts other things, toughts money for school buildings. BUT the general assembly approved millions for school improvements. The bills providing the money to the schools was passed after July 1. none of the schools had pre-applied for non-exsiting fuinds before the appropriation. The Gov then refused to give the money to schools noting none of them had timely asked for it. This was money passed by the legislature for school building to stop those crumbling schools Jones was wooried about, but the Gov never actually gave them the money.

    Those schools were crumbling before the Capital Bill with money already approved to fix them, but Jones and the republicans seem to have forgotten we already have unrelased funds for schools. So all we are doing is giving the Gov millions more in funding that he can decide not to release!

    Then there was the promised funds for Lincoln that were never released. The republicans act like passage of the Bill means the Gov will actually spend and release the funds the way they hope, and in support of this beleif they have a hostory of the Gov holding funds and not spending them as promised.

    And the republicans want to give him billions more and think this is good for the people?




15. - Captain Flume - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 2:29 pm:

    What kind of fiscal wizards do the Repubs employ to lead them to the conclusion that there is such a thing as “excess” GRF, or that leasing an asset for a small fraction of its value, or that stealing money from dedicated public funds is responsible stewardship of public money? What kind of deal has been cut for their support of this plan? The answers would be the in-depth story I would like to read.




16. - VanillaMan - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 2:47 pm:

    SB 824 has been delayed a long time by this supposed reform governor. Thanks to Halvorson, Jones and Blagojevich, this legislation which should have been pass back in 2003 is five years too late and still waiting on Blagojevich’s desk.

    Now instead of signing it, he is using it as a bargaining chip so that he can get enough cash to pay back those who paid to play since he became governor.

    He’s like a dying smoker lighting up on his death bed. Blagojevich just shake his addition for pay to play schemes, can he?




17. - ChampaignDweller - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 3:00 pm:

    Let the bridges fall and the schools crumble–is this Illinois’ and Jones’ version of “Let them eat cake”?




18. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 3:15 pm:

    ChampaignDweller, I think you’re misreading the quote.




19. - Lucio Guerrero - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 3:35 pm:

    Regarding the conversations between the Mayor and the Governor - in particular over the police issue: the Governor did call the Mayor but the Mayor was out of town. Since that time, the two top cops have spoken - often - and that’s what really matters. It seems like someone is trying to make a story out of something that isn’t there.

    Please, folks - one conspiracy theory at a time.




20. - Anon - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 4:05 pm:

    ===The “super” timeout. That’s, like, better than a regular timeout. Way better, dude. ===

    And if that doesn’t work, he’ll put them on double secret probation!




21. - Willie Stark - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 4:06 pm:

    Yes “folks.” You are so ridiculous for thinking it odd that the mayor of the third largest city in the nation and the governor of his state have a non-existant relationship because of the governor’s shoot-from-the-hip/haven’t-learned-anything-in-5-years “governing” style. How kooky! Quite the conspiracy theory. No story here at all. Move along, please.




22. - A Citizen - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 4:11 pm:

    This governmental impasse situation is saving the taxpayers Billions. Let’s hope they keep it up until something serious and worthy evolves. Until then, Yustis, until then.




23. - ZC - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 4:32 pm:

    Good to know that our Governor is on top of the Chicago Cubs, at least. He’s talking on 720 AM right now, about the Cubs-Milwaukee series. He didn’t manage to work in any slights at Madigan, but his baseball philosophy, he said, is “Go for the kill. That’s what winners do.”




24. - JohnnyC - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 4:33 pm:

    “Regarding the conversations between the Mayor and the Governor - in particular over the police issue: the Governor did call the Mayor but the Mayor was out of town. Since that time, the two top cops have spoken - often - and that’s what really matters. It seems like someone is trying to make a story out of something that isn’t there. ”

    You’re new to the job, I get it. But I would suggest not posting ridiculous statements before you quickly lose whatever personal credibility you may have. I know it’s your job to spin, buuuuut at least sell something that someone may actually buy.




25. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 4:38 pm:

    JohnnyC, the guy has the stones to post here under his real name, so let’s cut him a bit of slack.




26. - anon - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 5:06 pm:

    The mayor has left for China and the Olympics, so that reutrn call to the Governor won’t be made anytime soon.




27. - Independent - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 5:35 pm:

    Daley is making a mistake casting his lot solely with Madigan. Illinois desperately needs someone to mitigate this Blago/Jones - Madigan feud and get them to the table to negotiate like adults. Obama won’t dirty his hands with this, plus he’s a little busy.

    That leaves Daley as the only Democrat with the stature, political capital, and connections with all three to broker a truce. The fact he hasn’t talked with the governor in over three weeks is appalling. Daley needs to remove his Olympic tunnel vision goggles for a moment and do what’s right for Illinois.




28. - steve schnorf - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 6:38 pm:

    I think the proposal to lease the lottery is not a good idea. On the other hand, its hard for me to criticize because the Governor has at least made a proposal (several, in fact) to fund a capital program that everyone seems very certain we need. I don’t see people who don’t like the Governor’s lottery proposal offering their alternative proposals for the funds.




29. - Just the Facts - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 7:21 pm:

    The Governor’s various “proposals” have insufficient support to be adopted. It’s time for him to abandon his delusional notions that he can blame the Speaker for these failures. It seems apparent that anything the Speaker might propose will be opposed by the Governor because of the Governor’s apparent hatred for the Speaker. As a result any alternative proposals will have to come from another source. The Republicans seem to think that they can somehow benefit from the Democractic fratricide and perhaps they could if Cross could come up with something better than his apparent support for the Governor. As to Watson, I don’t see anything creative from that bunch. Jones received the additional education funding that he demanded/extorted and that increase came at the expense ofsome of the programs that the Governor cut - and I don’t mean the elimination of the expansions in the vetoes - I mean the cuts.

    In any event, to get to Steve’s point - I don’t see that any of the players in this farce,other than the Governor, are in a position to propose any alternatives to the Governor’s proposals. It’s going to have to come from him and Isuspect that isn’t going to happen. So it ain’t going to get better folks.




30. - Pot calling kettle - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 8:26 pm:

    >

    I object! I do not consider most of the governor’s proposals as legitimate funding sources because they shift existing revenues or borrow on future revenues. Leasing the Lottery is a perfect example of both shifting and borrowing. I hope that the legislature will continue to disagree with these proposals because agreement will ensure that Illinois’ budget hole will deepen.

    Unfortunately, the governor has taken the best and most logical sources of funding off of the table, and it’s had to imagine him agreeing to either an increase in income or broadening of sales tax any time soon. Until he does, the state will not have enough revenue to pay its operating and capital expenses.

    Holding the pay to play bill hostage is a red herring; he will use any available excuse not to sign it.




31. - S. Illinois - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 9:04 pm:

    Steve - a bad idea doesn’t become a good idea simply by being the only idea on the table. Maybe we just cannot afford a capital program at this time?

    Lucio - first welcome to the fray. We are glad to have you as part of the conversation, even if you have to endure quite a bit of fire. Now…maybe Blago did try to call Daley at some point…but as a general rule it’s better to talk with the mayor of a major city BEFORE you suggest sending in the National Guard. I’m just sayin’




32. - Anonymous - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 9:08 pm:

    If Senate Presidents Jones is so worried about crumbling bridges and schools, he can start funding them by returning his pay increase.




33. - anon - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 9:42 pm:

    I hope Madigan does not budge an inch. I think I will vote Democrat for State Rep. and Republican for State Senator. Any allies against this corrupt Governor gets my vote!!




34. - steve schnorf - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 10:41 pm:

    si, I agree being the only idea doesn’t make it a good idea, but it does make it the only idea, and no one seems to be conceding that we don’t need a fairly big capital program. Ergo, do it his way or suggest a better way, either is fine with me.




35. - Leatherneck - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 11:11 pm:

    I understand we need at least some capitol program, but I cannot support one at least while Blago and Co. is still in charge. As a downstater not only do I worry about any part of the state that’s not Chicago getting shafted, but also I have a suspicion that the Governor will tap into some of the money devoted to capitol in yet another attempt for him to fund his failed health care expansion and programs.




36. - Arthur Andersen - Thursday, Jul 31, 08 @ 11:15 pm:

    Remember Mayor Daley’s father when he would lambast his critics in the media and elsewhere when he made a proposal, saying more or less, “You don’t like my plan? Where’s your plan? You don’t have a plan? Then don’t go picking on my plan if you don’t have one of your own.”

    Clever, but because the idea is the only idea doesn’t make it a good idea. The Lotto sale/lease or whatever they’re calling it this week is a bad idea, as well-debated on this blog and in other fora.

    Blago is wasting time and playing a cruel game by putting this stink pickle back on the table one more time when he knows it’s got a snowball’s chance in the InBev tent.

    Sure, “everybody wants a capital bill,” or “jobs bill” as the Democrats call it (or “tax increase” as AA calls it) but “somebody” should come up with something better to pay for it than another Filan three-card monte game before another special session, round of fingerpointing, yada, yada, yada. (as an aside, the ridiculous job creation number has now been inflated to 700,000 as of tonight’s COGFA hearing.)

    Personally, AA would like to see the operating budget get a lot closer to balanced than it is now and 824 signed before POA gets a penny of capital cash. Where is Blago on the operating budget and the newly blown $300 million hole in the FY10 budget?




37. - Disgusted - Friday, Aug 1, 08 @ 4:48 am:

    Let’s hope that Blago wasn’t paying attention to what’s going on with California’s state government, in his mad dash to get to the Cub game. I wish all I had to worry about was getting chauffeured to a baseball game on the taxpayer’s dime, while the people who work for me are waiting for the next sociopathic shoe to drop.

    And don’t think he is interested in a capitol plan. He’ll divert that money, once gotten, to his quest to be the Wizard of Healthcare in a heartbeat. Down here in the Patch, the state printshops are already being hustled to get the paper out for the next big push - Vet’s Care - at state fair time. It’s called the “Press Pop of the Month” game.




38. - DumberThanUThink - Friday, Aug 1, 08 @ 7:41 am:

    Thanks goodnwess someone applied some common sense and stopped the gamblers….bet TR and Chris are sad Most are sure they were still in for a “commission” if the gamblers got their way.
    Now we can take a real look at the lottery scam.
    No other state has takend the bait after listening to the bankers razzle dazzle. Hope IL does not fall for it.
    BTW Blagoof tried to reach the Mayor after the dopey “call out the national gaurd” statement.
    The phone is still ringing
    eid




39. - Anon - Friday, Aug 1, 08 @ 7:50 am:

    This proposed raid on the GRF does not make any sense. The Gov and the GA are already raiding all the capital funds to shore up the GRF so is the plan to first raid the captial funds place it in the GRF and move it back to the orginal dedicated funds and call it a capital bill?

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